Timeline for How can I quickly/easily edit all posts with a given tag, to change some to use a different tag?
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| Jan 9, 2023 at 4:34 | comment | added | Makyen | @Drew Yes, over the years, there have been multiple feature requests for all the different possibilities which have been discussed here so far. | |
| Jan 9, 2023 at 4:28 | comment | added | Drew | @MetaAndrewT: Good to know. Thx. I was wondering whether this had also occurred to others. | |
| Jan 9, 2023 at 3:40 | comment | added | Meta Andrew T. | FWIW, mods also have asked for such features (i.e. better mass editing & tag management tool), but it just hasn't been considered by staff. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 21:24 | comment | added | Joe W | And this is an issue about how edits are designed to work with them fixing as many of the issue with a post at once and not just making a minor change. As was mentioned there is already a system in place for dealing with these retag requests it is just that it can't be done in mass as you are desiring. There is a reason that all edits bump posts to the front page and that is to get eyes on the edits and prevent someone from going around and doing "minor" edits to put in spam URLS or other types of malicious edits that would be easy to miss if not for the bump. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 21:20 | comment | added | Drew | @JoeW: Once again, you seem to be showing your black-&-white orthodoxy. Limiting to few minor edits per day is one way to not overwhelm the displayed list, yet still record minor edits. Nothing prevents that from being employed. But better is to also give editors and users the ability to show/hide minor edits, at any time. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 21:16 | comment | added | Drew |
@Glorfindel: There was no tag retag-request on that site. I had used tag retagging. I've now created also a tag retag-request and added that as well.
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| Jan 8, 2023 at 21:12 | comment | added | Drew |
@Glorfindel: Thanks. I had already done that, but hadn't known about tag retag-request. FWIW, that tag wiki says nothing about posting a retag request as a question - it just says what the tag means. OK, you can only tag questions. But a request for action isn't a question.
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| Jan 8, 2023 at 21:12 | comment | added | Joe W | As was mentioned before edits like this are normally done in smaller batches to not overwhelm the front page with edited posts. Just because it is desired to limit how many are done at once doesn't mean that it is desired to not have them show up on the front page. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 21:09 | comment | added | Drew | @JoeW: Either you don't want some edits moved to the top, because they are minor, or you do want them moved to the top. Either you don't want them noticed by everyone, by default, because they are minor, or you want them noticed by everyone. Did you perhaps miss the point that users would be able to either hide or show minor edits? On Emacs Wiki (a very simple site) "users can list recent posts with or without (default) including minor edits." IOW, let users decide how to edit (and give them better tools for that), and let users decide whether to show minor edits. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 21:06 | comment | added | Glorfindel Mod | Yes, that's what the tag wiki says ... | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 21:04 | comment | added | Drew | @Glorfindel: Yes I know that. That doesn't answer my question. Are you saying that a retag request should be posed as a question on that site? | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 21:03 | comment | added | Joe W | The problem with your minor edit not bumping posts idea is that the concept of bumping posts on an edit is to help ensure the quality of changes by making sure that they get noticed and not just lost to time. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 20:09 | comment | added | Glorfindel Mod | Every Stack Exchange site has its own Meta, in your case it's emacs.meta.stackexchange.com | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 20:03 | comment | added | Drew | @Glorfindel: I agree that what you described (multiple edits by the community, few per day etc.) is a good approach. For that, I'd like get an answer to the question I asked you about a "retag request": How/where to submit such a request? The tags in question are Emacs-specific, and only people in that community would be targets for such a request. What's the procedure for submitting such a request for a single site (emacs.SE)? | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 20:01 | comment | added | Drew | Apparently the answer to my question is No, there is no way to quickly/easily edit all posts with a given tag, to change some to use a different tag. I guess I'll wait a bit, to see if anyone answers. And if not, I'll add that (apparent) answer. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 19:41 | comment | added | Drew | "Is supposed to" is overgeneralization, yes. An overall guideline should be taken into consideration along with the context and specific editing aim, not just imposed in an orthodox way (and especially not just because the editing tools are limited). It's about taking the specific editing context and purpose into consideration. It "should be" for users making the changes to decide. Of course they can only decide among the tools actually available to them. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 19:33 | comment | added | Drew | As for your concern about minor edits moving a post up in the presentation list: Another missing "tool" (AFAIK) is the ability to specify an edit as "minor". Even Emacs Wiki has that feature (and users can list recent posts with or without (default) including minor edits. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 19:32 | comment | added | Joe W | Did you not see the comment from Glorfindel that included doing the edits in small numbers so that the home page was not overwhelmed with edits which can push new questions off the page before they can get noticed and answered? There are many reasons why they don't want people to mass edit posts. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 19:29 | comment | added | Drew | @JoeW: "Overall we should not" doesn't correspond to any specific, real context - it's only about "overall". Overall? Sure. No one's suggesting otherwise. Such a general guideline doesn't serve as a rationalization that what's available now is best (can't be improved), and one-size-fits-all. You've learned an "overall" guideline, and that's fine. Now maybe learn that the devil's in the details - specific contexts. That you can delete a line or paragraph of text all at once isn't in opposition to the ability to delete a single character. 100 flowers, not monoculture... | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 19:28 | comment | added | Joe W | How is pointing out that an edit to a post or a questions tags is supposed to address all issues with the post an over-generalization? It isn't a matter of editing tools being good or bad but the desire that when an edit is done to a post everything is looked at and as much as possible is fixed. This is to avoid situations where a question gets bumped to the top of the front page many times in a short period of time because of lots of small minor edits. Not to mention a mass edit like you are suggesting would flood the front page and push lots of questions off it. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 19:24 | comment | added | Drew | @JoeW: Your over-generalizations are completely out of context, sorry. That good editing tools enable you to quickly make wide-scale simple changes doesn't imply that you can't otherwise spend time to more slowly make more involved changes. It doesn't impose "robo review"ing. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 18:25 | comment | added | Joe W | Or how many bad changes are going to be made because people get in robo review mode and start approving/denying changes incorrectly? It always is a major concern on some sites that people just plow through reviews like this which ends up with incorrect results. There is a reason why some of these things are designed to take a while and overall we should not be having major tag changes like this very often in the first place. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 18:24 | comment | added | Joe W | You seem to be missing the point I was making in the last comment. When editing a post or changing tags on a question you should be reviewing it for all possible changes instead of just doing a quick look at it and only changing one of the things that may or may not be needing changed. What happens when you change this single tag and it means that the rest of them are now invalid tags? Should we just let these questions with bad tags sit around? | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 17:00 | comment | added | Drew | @JoeW: In the case described, the analysis of whether this tag change is needed for some question is extremely quick. But the typing and clicking needed to make just this simple tag replacement is laborious - consumes the most time. When hundreds of posts need to be edited this way it's impractical. StackExchange's UI, including reviewing and editing tools, are rudimentary/primitive - or more politely, they have room for improvement. Maybe if someone's not used to better editing tools they seem just fine... | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 3:49 | comment | added | Joe W | I understand what the request is but if you are reviewing tags and redoing as needed I would think you would want to review all tags on the question and update them manually. In my mind even with manual review a system like that would lead to errors. I think it is similar to the guidelines around editing posts in that you are supposed to fix as much of the post as you can rather then just change things one at a time. | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 2:37 | comment | added | Drew | @joe: Please reread the request. E.g.: "look at each of them, and just hit a key or click something once, to replace tag auto-complete-mode with tag autocompletion, if appropriate." | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 2:21 | comment | added | Joe W | Don’t you have to manually review each question to ensure that the tag changes are appropriate anyway? | |
| Jan 8, 2023 at 1:51 | history | edited | Laurel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jan 7, 2023 at 20:44 | comment | added | Drew | @Glorfindel: And why doesn't StackExchange provide a better way to carry out such a simple, if ultimately manual (in terms of judging), maintenance operation? | |
| Jan 7, 2023 at 20:42 | comment | added | Drew | @Glorfindel: How/where to submit such a request? The tags in question are Emacs-specific, and only people in that community would be targets for such a request. What's the procedure for submitting such a request for a single site (emacs.SE)? | |
| Jan 7, 2023 at 19:31 | history | edited | This_is_NOT_a_forum | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jan 7, 2023 at 19:24 | history | edited | This_is_NOT_a_forum | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Fixed the question formation - missing auxiliary (or helping) verb - see e.g. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4yWEt0OSpg&t=1m49s> (see also <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS5NfSzXfrI> (QUASM)) - alternatively, drop the question mark. Used the official name of the site.
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| Jan 7, 2023 at 18:28 | comment | added | Glorfindel Mod | OK, then a merge is not appropriate, and the only option is to go on a (manual) retag-request. Those are usually done by the community, a handful of questions each day, to avoid crowding the homepage. | |
| Jan 7, 2023 at 18:16 | comment | added | Drew |
@Glorfindel: What's meant by "merge" here? I want some of the posts with tag auto-complete-mode to instead use tag autocompletion - that's all.
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| Jan 7, 2023 at 17:59 | comment | added | Glorfindel Mod | Moderators have the option to merge one tag into another - this is typically asked/requested for on your site's Meta. | |
| Jan 7, 2023 at 17:57 | history | asked | Drew | CC BY-SA 4.0 |