Timeline for Hiding downvoted questions silences important discussions on Meta
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| Sep 23 at 21:59 | history | edited | BertholdStaffMod |
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| Sep 23 at 21:59 | answer | added | BertholdStaffMod | timeline score: 33 | |
| May 6 at 20:55 | comment | added | Joachim | And still: Our Partnership with OpenAI (with a score of -81 at the time of writing). | |
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| Oct 19, 2023 at 1:42 | comment | converted from answer | Bappiy Sharif | meta.stackexchange.com/questions/332465/… | |
| Oct 16, 2023 at 15:35 | answer | added | Rubén | timeline score: 2 | |
| Oct 15, 2023 at 18:38 | history | edited | Rubén | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| S Oct 15, 2023 at 16:55 | history | notice added | Rubén | Draw attention | |
| Oct 15, 2023 at 16:54 | history | edited | Rubén | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Added TL;DR; writting fixes using Grammarly; replace "home page" by homepage to match the related tag and alternative spelling commonly usen in the context of websites.
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| Feb 25, 2023 at 11:07 | comment | added | user2987828 | I also have a downvoted question meta.stackexchange.com/questions/208852/… which as of today has been downvoted 14 times and upvoted 6 times. | |
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| Jan 1, 2020 at 2:37 | comment | added | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | @Shog9 Here's a non-employee example: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/341367/… | |
| Dec 26, 2019 at 20:06 | history | edited | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
make it more clear to other readers what the actual criteria are
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| S Dec 26, 2019 at 18:26 | history | bounty started | Sextus Empiricus | ||
| S Dec 26, 2019 at 18:26 | history | notice added | Sextus Empiricus | Authoritative reference needed | |
| S Sep 15, 2019 at 11:23 | history | bounty ended | Zoe - Save the data dump | ||
| S Sep 15, 2019 at 11:23 | history | notice removed | Zoe - Save the data dump | ||
| S Sep 8, 2019 at 11:20 | history | bounty started | Zoe - Save the data dump | ||
| S Sep 8, 2019 at 11:20 | history | notice added | Zoe - Save the data dump | Draw attention | |
| Sep 8, 2019 at 11:16 | history | edited | Zoe - Save the data dump |
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| Aug 21, 2019 at 13:20 | answer | added | George Stocker | timeline score: 37 | |
| Aug 21, 2019 at 13:15 | comment | added | George Stocker | @shog9 Here's another example after using the workaround suggested by the answer in this post: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/388714/… I'm not sure a moderator would have seen that if they weren't on the front page when it was asked. It was downvoted very quickly (-27 currently). | |
| Aug 21, 2019 at 13:13 | comment | added | George Stocker | @shog9 I've encountered a handful just after being back on MSO for three weeks. The active meta community has entrenched the "downvotes are for disagreement" mantra causing posts that need visibility to be lost. For example, It was only on a lark that I saw this issue a user had: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/388668/… because it had been downvoted into oblivion. We shouldn't hide users's problems through downvotes on meta sites. | |
| Aug 21, 2019 at 10:19 | history | edited | This_is_NOT_a_forum | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Active reading.
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| Aug 21, 2019 at 2:16 | comment | added | forest distrusts StackExchange | Perhaps we should flag that particular question for moderator attention, asking to add the featured tag. | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 21:24 | comment | added | Anton Menshov | @Shog9 posted the alternative suggestion with smaller scope. | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 21:16 | comment | added | Robert Columbia | It's now at -43 and falling, Meta effect indeed. | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 19:24 | comment | added | Mad Scientist | @Shog9 two of those are closed, so they wouldn't fall under my proposed change. The third one doesn't need more visibility, but it probably also wouldn't hurt that much. Hiding the post on the frontpage doesn't have that much of an effect unless the post is also bumped a few times, a non-hidden post can attract more activity, which means more bumps, and stays visible for a while longer. A hidden post can't get bumped, if we stop hiding the posts this would mostly affect posts that actually attract activity, the others would still drop out of sight pretty fast. | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 19:18 | comment | added | Monica Cellio Mod | Thanks @Shog9! Good to know. (I declined that flag anyway, but now I can do so with even more confidence.) | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 19:17 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | Just to be clear: MSE-featured posts do not "push out" anything on other sites, @Monica. Whatever would be shown on a per-site bulletin without any MSE-featured posts is still shown with them. Details: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/130621/… | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 19:15 | comment | added | Monica Cellio Mod | @Shog9 employees can manually feature the post, which puts it on the community bulletin on every site on the network, possibly pushing out other featured posts. I'm not saying that's good or bad, but I've already seen one flag asking us to unfeature a post because of the effect it was having elsewhere, so as people look at data (what do "featured" trends look like and how often do employees post questions anyway?), it's something to keep in mind. | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 19:11 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | Sure; that's an understandable concern @Mad. OTOH, there's a lot of collateral effects for this proposed solution: does this question need more attention? What about this one or this one? | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 19:07 | comment | added | Mad Scientist | @Shog9 this particular post wasn't featured, and it was a post where a negative reaction could easily be anticipated. This creates a situation where not featuring can look like trying to sweep the topic under the rug, a solution that doesn't require manual intervention avoids this entirely. | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 18:04 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | If the goal here is only more visibility for employee posts, then might as well just make that the request, @anton. | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 17:49 | comment | added | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | @Shog9 True, but for this site, it's not the best idea if someone just wants to feature content just for this site, rather than for the whole network. For per-site metas it makes sense, though. | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 17:47 | comment | added | Anton Menshov | @Shog9 agree; however, that involves the staff member to be willing to do that. For the aforementioned post, in particular, and other post candidates, in general – it would be useful to give visibility regardless. Now, my only option to increase post visibility – was to add a bounty, which has very limited effect. | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 17:35 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | Any staff member can already get visibility at-will by adding the [featured] tag, or with some non-trivial effort by posting on the blog, @Sonic. There's zero reason to do anything here if the only posts involved are from staff. | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 17:16 | comment | added | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | @Shog9 If there aren't (m)any, can't we make it so that heavily-downvoted questions show on the homepage if they were posted by a user with the staff bit? | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 17:09 | answer | added | user000001 | timeline score: 30 | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 16:39 | comment | added | Mad Scientist | @Shog9 probably not, but I wouldn't rely on my memory for this | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 16:37 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | Can you think of any non-employee-authored, heavily-downvoted posts that would've been worth seeing? | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 16:32 | comment | added | Mad Scientist | @1201ProgramAlarm if SE implements a special announcement type of post for meta sites, that would also fix this from a different direction. I think it makes more sense to generally not hide posts based on score alone on meta sites, but the cases where it's actively harmful are mostly announcements by SE. | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 16:30 | comment | added | Laurel | Not even the first time this has happened. Remember the new theme announcements? ELU meta created an announcement for the announcement but this doesn’t allow you to see that there are updates on the question, such as new answers. | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 16:30 | comment | added | 1201ProgramAlarm | Would you want this applied universally (to all posts), or just ones from a limited group (moderators and SE employees)? | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 16:21 | comment | added | Mad Scientist | @SonictheAnonymousWizHog the post is at -34, so no, it's not enough | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 16:19 | comment | added | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | Is the reduced threshold for hiding questions from the homepage (-8 vs. -4) not enough? | |
| Aug 20, 2019 at 16:13 | history | asked | Mad Scientist | CC BY-SA 4.0 |