Timeline for The new moderator agreement is now live for moderators to accept across the network
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| Jul 28, 2020 at 13:58 | history | edited | Yaakov EllisStaffMod |
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| Jul 20, 2020 at 22:07 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek Mod | Well, SE dosen't keep very much pii. IP addresses and email addresses can be useful in spotting spammers, trolls and other issues. | |
| Jul 20, 2020 at 18:07 | comment | added | Lambie | Can you please explain to me why a Mod might need someone's personal information? | |
| Jul 13, 2020 at 23:55 | comment | added | Scortchi | @Catija: You've already said that by "accept guidance" is meant merely "listen to guidance & be open to it". If for some reason it's troublesome to move to a Version 3 of the agreement, this gloss still deserves more prominence than a comment under an answer, as clearly many people find the current wording ambiguous. | |
| Jul 13, 2020 at 22:13 | comment | added | Catija StaffMod | @MadScientist Sure. So... you're worried about illegitimate ones - which I can understand. Trust is... maybe a bit better than it was but not a ton. I know the wording is a bit weird. I can say that the mods did bring it up - this isn't something that's just being noticed now and we don't intend to be tricky. In fact, the original version didn't limit which staff could offer guidance. So, we chose to address concerns by restricting who gives that guidance than by rearranging the sentence. | |
| Jul 13, 2020 at 21:33 | comment | added | Mad Scientist | @Catija But that case violates another clause of the mod agreement, specifically the one about upholding the Code of Conduct. I'm not talking about any situation where the action itself violates any other clause of the mod agreement. But that specific clause I mentioned allows for "orders" to be issued by SE that are not covered by the CoC or PII rules or any other of the big rules in the mod agreement. I can't actually imagine a legitimate situation where SE would require a mod to do something that wasn't covered by the CoC, ToS or PII rules, and take their diamond if they refuse. | |
| Jul 13, 2020 at 21:19 | comment | added | Catija StaffMod | So, if I get a report from a user that they were being harassed and I see that a moderator declined flags against the harassing comments, I'm going to ask why the mod didn't delete the comments - but I'm also going to delete the comments myself. I'm the one choosing to moderate, not the mod. I can't think of a time when I've forced a mod to ever do something they were against... | |
| Jul 13, 2020 at 21:17 | comment | added | Catija StaffMod | @MadScientist That's a bit broad - a mod can always refuse to act on what we say because - well... we don't want to make people do things they feel are inappropriate. If we feel strongly enough, we'll do it ourselves... but that doesn't mean that a mod who won't perform an action that we see as necessary for moderation can't be told that their failure to act or their specific actions put them at risk of losing their position as a moderator. That has always been the case. We can't make someone act but we can make it clear that it's expected from moderators. | |
| Jul 13, 2020 at 21:08 | comment | added | Mad Scientist | @Catija Would SE be willing to clarify that the "I will accept additional guidance" clause isn't an "SE can give orders to mods" clause in a help center post? If the agreement itself is not subject to change, that does seem to be the only way to clarify that aspect. | |
| Jul 13, 2020 at 13:41 | comment | added | Catija StaffMod | @ouflak The new agreement is live and it is the agreement. Other than minor textual errors or adding links to help explain things, the content won't be changing any time soon. I'm happy to help clarify things here where I can but this has gone through six months of review by many people and it is the V2 Mod Agreement. Any other changes would require switching to V3. Mods elected after the posting date of this question will only have the new agreement to accept. | |
| Jul 13, 2020 at 12:24 | comment | added | ouflak | Is this agreement in its current format still changing? I ask because there seems to be some really good feedback here, and there seems to have even been some support/acknowledgement from the SO team. Elections are on at the moment, and it's not clear to me what exactly the new mods will be expected to agree to. | |
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| Jul 11, 2020 at 10:19 | answer | added | John Duffield | timeline score: -9 | |
| Jul 10, 2020 at 22:02 | answer | added | user1271772 | timeline score: 9 | |
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| Jul 10, 2020 at 14:48 | comment | added | David | Not to discredit the work that has gone into this (catijia I know you have been working on this for months), but two lines in the summery scare me. "...Community Leadership Team, the Community Management Team, our Legal department..." and the Moderator removal process "should help any mods removed without a process to feel they have a recourse." Both brought up lots of bad memories, old frustrations, and disappointed feelings. I know this is probably a need step in the right direction, but I'm still reluctant to believe any new change from SE is good. | |
| Jul 10, 2020 at 6:20 | answer | added | Mad Scientist | timeline score: 49 | |
| Jul 10, 2020 at 0:27 | answer | added | Braiam | timeline score: 24 | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 16:15 | answer | added | Scortchi | timeline score: 7 | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 15:04 | answer | added | jscs | timeline score: 31 | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 13:40 | answer | added | George Stocker | timeline score: 77 | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 11:06 | answer | added | Journeyman GeekMod | timeline score: 15 | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 8:24 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek Mod | I'll post a proper answer in a bit but the body that predated the proper mod council vetted it. There were some changes from what we saw but mostly more pleasant surprises. | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 6:15 | comment | added | Catija StaffMod | @Mast The Mod agreement has been in the works long enough that it went through the Proto-pro-tem council for review. The Council is welcome to make a statement if they wish - I've let them know about your comment. | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 6:09 | comment | added | Mast | Has this been vetted by the moderator council? Is it possible to get a response from them on this announcement? | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 2:42 | answer | added | Bhargav Rao | timeline score: 129 | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 21:26 | comment | added | user808464 | I have to say that the company offering mods support in an official way is positive. It's a step towards building that confidence in the company. If things continue in this direction I have great hope that we can rebuild the trust between the community and the company. If we can achieve that the site will succeed. | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 21:22 | history | edited | CatijaStaffMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 8, 2020 at 20:23 | history | edited | CatijaStaffMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 8, 2020 at 20:09 | answer | added | Scortchi | timeline score: -5 | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 19:51 | answer | added | Erik A | timeline score: 13 | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 19:40 | history | edited | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 8, 2020 at 19:37 | history | edited | Machavity | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 8, 2020 at 19:25 | history | edited | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 8, 2020 at 19:22 | answer | added | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | timeline score: 28 | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 19:22 | answer | added | Scortchi | timeline score: 45 | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 19:19 | answer | added | Mari-Lou A Слава Україні | timeline score: 25 | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 18:42 | history | asked | CatijaStaffMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |